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tfabris ([personal profile] tfabris) wrote2008-03-18 12:33 pm

Give me the bad news first.


Good and bad news.

Bad news is, Vixy and I will likely have to cancel Norwescon. She got sick on Sunday at Consonance, picking up what appears to have been the same nasty cold that I'd had the fortune to have already run through several weeks prior. This particular rhinovirus is among the worst ones I've seen, ruining your voice at first, then giving you several days worth of sinus trouble, followed by, literally, weeks of dry coughing. I'm still feeling the effects of this thing in my chest and I've been over it for a month or two. We were hoping Vixy would get better by Norwescon, but this thing is just thrashing her, and now we're down to the point where even if she were miraculously better by Saturday (and from the looks of things, she won't be), we haven't been able to rehearse this week anyway and still wouldn't be able to do it.

We've got two more weeks after this week to heal up in time for our our GOH slot at FilKONtario. That gig has been planned for two years, it's our very first Filk Con GOH slot, they're counting on us, and we've got expensive non-refundable plane tickets, so we're going to make that one, do or die.

Good news is, the week after Consonance, with exactly enough voice for one take of one phrase before she broke down and couldn't sing any more, Vixy fixed up the last piece of vocal track on the last song for our album. Actually, we'd intended to re-record the entire vocal track that week, but then the illness hit, so for "Strange Messenger", you get Vixy's scratch track with only the opening phrase re-recorded. Of course, you all know Vixy, even her scratch tracks are awesome. :-)

Other album news: Our mastering engineer has the final tracks and is working on it. We're almost done with the CD jacket design files. We know which duplication house we're going to use and we're making sure our ducks are in a row for getting copies in time. With a little luck, we're on schedule for a release of Thirteen at FKO! :-)

The complete list of upcoming Vixy and Tony appearances is:

Norwescon, Weekend of March 21st, 2008, Seattle, WA. Canceling, sorry. :(
FilKONtario, Weekend of April 4th, 2008, Toronto. We are the Guests of Honor!
Wayward Coffee House, Saturday, April 19, 2008, 8-10pm, Seattle, WA.
BayCon, Weekend of May 23, 2008, San Jose, CA.
SpoCon, Weekend of August 1st, 2008, Spokane, WA.
Consonance, Early March, 2009, San Jose, CA. We are the Guests of Honor!

[identity profile] herefox.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Is there any idea yet when your baycon concert will be? I'm going to try and finagle a friend into a one day pass and if I'm really lucky I'll be able snag both the two of you and Seanan!

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have a Baycon schedule yet, sorry. Kierin Bushore is the gal who'll have details when they happen.

[identity profile] herefox.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't think you would but thought I'd ask! Very much looking forward to the new cd.

[identity profile] jeffreycornish.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Taking care of vixy and Tony is priority one
Performance is priority 2 (or less depending on things)
You guys take care

[identity profile] damiana-swan.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
:-( You will both be missed.

Please ask Vixy to go get checked out NOW? That horribly nasty virus has a tendency to turn into pneumonia/bronchitis very easily--I know several people where it's taken that route and they've all ended up on really potent antibiotics and steroids to get rid of it.

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a good point, but on the other hand, what about the usual caveat?

The usual caveat being: Antibiotics don't kill viruses, so going to the doctor for a rhinovirus is a waste of the doctor's time, your time, and your money, as well as being yet another situation where you're prescribing antibiotics where they're not needed, thus increasing the risk of helping to breed antibiotic-resistant bacteria.

So how does one know the difference between a really bad cold, bacterial-induced bronchitis, and pneumonia? How can one tell when it's time to actually go to the doctor? Vixy simply has a dry cough that feels like bronchial irritation, but she's not coughing anything *up* even when taking expectorant drugs. I'd think for a bacterial infection, there'd be genuine phlegm that'd be all green and gross.

And anyway, who says "the cold can turn into a secondary bacterial infection"? Is that just something people say, or is it actually true? Viruses can't mutate into bacteria, so what is the exact mechanism for this kind of thing happening?

Does anyone reading this thread have any actual medical *cites* on any of this? I've always wondered about all of the above.

[identity profile] damiana-swan.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right that antibiotics don't affect viruses themselves, and if there's no green goo currently involved it probably hasn't evolved into a bacterial infection. (Although she might want to try mucinex or a similar mucus thinner if her chest is feeling tight; an expectorant alone doesn't always work if the mucus is too thick.)

My daughter [livejournal.com profile] violindaine is a medical professional, and she's also one of the ones who dealt with this--with her it started as a cold that developed into a sinus infection which then drained down into her chest and became pneumonia. (And it took 4 different visits to the doctor to get it diagnosed correctly too, because the first 3 didn't listen to what she told them about her health history, which was annoying. One of them actually diagnosed it as anxiety.)

My slightly-trained lay impression of how it works is that the bacteria are all around us, all the time. The virus creates an environment which allows the bacteria to start growing a colony--bacteria like places that are warm and wet, for the most part, and lungs or sinuses filled with goo definitely qualify.

[identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, not to get into TMI land, but...

I actually *am* coughing things up. Just not all of the time. Some of the time it's those horrible dry coughing fits that feel like muscle spasms inside my lungs, like my insides are panicking. But part of the reason that I keep saying "mornings are the worst" is that that's when there's the most... er, stuff.

I'm just not, y'know, showing you. :)

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, if you're coughing up actual *stuff*, then it could very well be a bacterial infection in your lungs, and a doctor's visit is in order.

[identity profile] hsifyppah.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it's normal to cough up phlegm in viral infections too. It's the by-product of your immune system fighting the virus. Good ol' mucocilia, fighting the good fight! Nasty bad-smelling green or dark yellow goo is the bacterial tell-tale.

God, I'm just full of appetizing little bon mots.

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
*nod*

[identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
On the plus side, I've discovered that I *do* have coverage for Urgent Care visits (also preventative visits, with women's health specifically specified-- I'd been worried about that as my pills expire soon) so if it doesn't go away in, say, another week, I might go in. It's good to know that I *can*, after all.
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[personal profile] jenrose 2008-03-19 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
Is it possible that this is pertussis going around? Vaccinated adults tend to have different symptoms than the traditional Whooping cough. The panicking coughing fits and coughing things up....

Anyway, antibiotics DO help with pertussis... not so much to stop it, but to slow it down a little and stop the spread because it is HIGHLY contagious. And pertussis presents as a cold. The cough is distinct... feels like you got water down the wrong tube, spasmy, uncontrollable, and then you are FINE until the next bout. Aside from the crushing fatigue, that is.

[identity profile] hsifyppah.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Bacterial pneumonia usually comes with green or yellow phlegm, sometimes with a gross odor. The only sure way to tell is a swab, and see if the culture comes back with something fun. My favouritest doctors won't prescribe antibiotics without doing a swab, for all the excellent reasons enumerated in your first paragraph.

A bad-ass virus can set the scene for bacterial infection, but there's no direct connection. Most bad coughs that last for weeks are just viruses and will get better without antibiotics (even if it IS bacterial! Our immune systems are pretty good at this shit.), and in most otherwise healthy adults, pneumonia is not a likely outcome. Elderly people, tiny children, and people with chronic bad lung function (asthma, smokers,) none of which describe vixy, are the ones most at risk. A lot of people who get a bad viral infection, go to the doctor, get antibiotics, and then get better, would have gotten better anyway in the same time frame without antibiotics.

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That makes the most sense to me.

[identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
See, Tony, I forgot to tell you that I'd already been Talking to My Pharmacist (tm). ;)

[identity profile] catsittingstill.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Take care of yourselves first. I'm very sorry you'll miss out on the con, but it's more important to rest and recover.

[identity profile] harmonyheifer.livejournal.com 2008-03-20 11:27 am (UTC)(link)
This virus is one of the worst the medical community has seen for a very long time. It was slamming emergency rooms and doctor's offices here in Phoenix. Just before we left to go to New Zealand, they even listed it as being an epidemic outbreak, which is kind of rare. Speaking as someone who is a medical professional, and also as someone who has had both bronchitis and pneumonia in the past, the symptoms of this virus were actually worse than any case of pneumonia or bronchitis I have ever had.

Also, you are right, it is a virus, but that doesn't mean that it can't run the body down enough for an opportunistic bacterial infection to piggyback onto it. That is what the poster above was referring to, and it happens to a lot of people who get the virus, especially this virus. Vixy has had a pretty rough year, physically and emotionally. Air travel can make it worse. I happen to know that one first hand. I was incredibly lucky that it didn't go into pneumonia with me, because of my poor immune system and the three flights in a 28 hour period getting from here to Wellington. I had an antibiotic with me to take if I got worse, luckily I didn't need it, but my doctor thought there was a 50/50 chance I might, especially with the air travel and the immunosuppressants I take for the arthritis. I think I staved it off by singing, or trying to sing every chance I got, even when I had no voice. It mimics the breathing exercises they give you to do in the hospital when you have bronchitis or pneumonia. That and determination. I Was Not Getting Pneumonia On That Trip. Mostly I just got lucky, though.

The only way to be absolutely certain that a virus has weakened the immune system to the point where a secondary bacterial infection is occurring is for your doctor or nurse practitioner to do a sputum culture. But generally, if the symptoms get worse instead of better, if the lungs start filling up, if you have passed through the fever, chills, sweating part of the viral infection and then it starts up again, ala Stephen King's The Stand, if you have yellow or green sputum in increasing quantities and not just early in the morning, or if you experience difficulty breathing, it is a good idea to see your doctor to reassess your condition. Also, this thing has a best and worst-case symptom progression. Patrick was over it in just about a week. I struggled with pretty miserable symptoms, fever, chills, coughing which was mostly productive and often kept me from sleeping and protracted laryngitis for over a month. So don't assume that Vixy will present with the exact same course of symptoms and progression through the virus that you had. My best guess is that you are in better shape right now to fight this thing than her, just on stress levels alone.

That is all. I am sorry it ruined you trip, but I think you made the right choice. Rest, fluids, and time ought to do the rest. Poor Vixy, it isn't a fun ride at all. Give her plenty of TLC and a hug from Patrick and I.

[identity profile] geojlc.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm fighting it myself and can heartily sympathize... I hope she feels better soon and good luck at FKO!
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[identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Good luck (and a Costco-sized bottle of Vitamin C) kicking this Martian Death Bug's ass... I'm glad you got Thirteen in the can before it hit! See you at Wayward (if not before)...

[identity profile] bobmage.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Will you be attending-but-not-singing, or not going to be there at all?

[identity profile] tfabris.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Our only purpose for going to Norwescon is Filking, so if we can't sing, there's no point in us going at all, it'd just frustrate us. So, we won't be going at all.

[identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't really even talk at any length without coughing, so doing the panels would damage me too. And really it's not fair of me to go around coughing on the general fannish populace and spreading my plague far and wide... :/

[identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com 2008-03-18 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Aiee. Sorry, you guys -- and I'm sorry I won't be at FKO to see you. Hugs, roasted garlic soup, and wishes for Better Now.